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> <channel><title>Comments on: Why isn&#8217;t hydrogen gas considered for fueling cars? It can be made relatively safe?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 04:47:59 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: paddler_70</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-711</link> <dc:creator>paddler_70</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:53:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-711</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Hindenburg was helium, not hydrogen :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>Hindenburg was helium, not hydrogen <img
src='http://www.fissuring.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BAL</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-710</link> <dc:creator>BAL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:34:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-710</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The problem is that the hydrogen that is needed to make these devices run is not readily avbailable. Hydrogen can be extracted from natural gas and from water (by using electricity), but it probably costs more to produce the hydrgen that to simply use the gas and electricity for other purposes.Furthermore, there is presently no storage and distribution system for hydrogen, even if it were available.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>The problem is that the hydrogen that is needed to make these devices run is not readily avbailable. Hydrogen can be extracted from natural gas and from water (by using electricity), but it probably costs more to produce the hydrgen that to simply use the gas and electricity for other purposes.</p><p>Furthermore, there is presently no storage and distribution system for hydrogen, even if it were available.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mick</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-709</link> <dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:53:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-709</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;it is being considered... it will also be used to power houses in the future</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>it is being considered&#8230; it will also be used to power houses in the future</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: capitalism4ever</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-708</link> <dc:creator>capitalism4ever</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-708</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;You people know nothing about this subject. I am an expert. I am building a hydrogen vehicle.Hydrogen is being looked into for cars in 2 ways, combustion and fuel cells. I know about combustion, not fuel cells, but fuel cells aren&#039;t gonna be ready til&#039; 2050 or so.Clearly the most practical use of hydrogen is hy-boosting. That is when you use a conventional fuel such as gasoline and add in a 5% to 7% boost of hydrogen gas. Below 5% wouldn&#039;t make a difference and adding more than 10% gets you dangerous backfires.Doing this 5% boost, you characterize the event like a hydrogen event. It&#039;s like pouring gasoline all over wood to get the fire going. The hydrogen makes the liquid fuel burn 10 times quicker. It lets you burn ANY liquid fuel in your engine! Ethanol, biodiesel, gasoline, diesel, vegetable oil, butanol you name it. It also doubles your fuel efficiency and gets rid of the unburned gasoline and carbon monoxide in the exhaust.I&#039;m trying it.For books on the subject, go to knowledgepublications.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>You people know nothing about this subject. I am an expert. I am building a hydrogen vehicle.</p><p>Hydrogen is being looked into for cars in 2 ways, combustion and fuel cells. I know about combustion, not fuel cells, but fuel cells aren&#8217;t gonna be ready til&#8217; 2050 or so.</p><p>Clearly the most practical use of hydrogen is hy-boosting. That is when you use a conventional fuel such as gasoline and add in a 5% to 7% boost of hydrogen gas. Below 5% wouldn&#8217;t make a difference and adding more than 10% gets you dangerous backfires.</p><p>Doing this 5% boost, you characterize the event like a hydrogen event. It&#8217;s like pouring gasoline all over wood to get the fire going. The hydrogen makes the liquid fuel burn 10 times quicker. It lets you burn ANY liquid fuel in your engine! Ethanol, biodiesel, gasoline, diesel, vegetable oil, butanol you name it. It also doubles your fuel efficiency and gets rid of the unburned gasoline and carbon monoxide in the exhaust.</p><p>I&#8217;m trying it.</p><p>For books on the subject, go to knowledgepublications.com</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alan G</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-707</link> <dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:10:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-707</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;OK the relies  cover most everything. Making it at present pollutes more than just using gas or diesel.Fuel cells are a real interesting answer and 10 years ago  they were 20% lighter than a horsepower internal combustion engine. Have no moving parts. produce  carbon dioxide and water as their polutants and produce  more  energy.
I don&#039;t understand why they are not being developed.Oh yes just FYI gasoline is much more explosive than  hydrogen and if you research it the Hindinberg killed very very few when it &quot;exploded&quot; .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>OK the relies  cover most everything. Making it at present pollutes more than just using gas or diesel.</p><p>Fuel cells are a real interesting answer and 10 years ago  they were 20% lighter than a horsepower internal combustion engine. Have no moving parts. produce  carbon dioxide and water as their polutants and produce  more  energy.<br
/> I don&#8217;t understand why they are not being developed.</p><p>Oh yes just FYI gasoline is much more explosive than  hydrogen and if you research it the Hindinberg killed very very few when it &#8220;exploded&#8221; .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sel_bos</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link> <dc:creator>sel_bos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:48:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-706</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It is called Fuel cell car.  Some car makers have already done the road test.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>It is called Fuel cell car.  Some car makers have already done the road test.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cthomp99</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-705</link> <dc:creator>cthomp99</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:25:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-705</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;the amount of energy you get out of making hydrogen that way is less than the fossil fuels used to split the water into hydrogen.  Even if the power source was coming from solar cells, that power would be better used in the power grid because more of the power it generates will actually be used where as half of it would be lost in the electrolysis process.  Hopefully, we will soon find a way to produce mass amounts of hydrogen without requiring so much energy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>the amount of energy you get out of making hydrogen that way is less than the fossil fuels used to split the water into hydrogen.  Even if the power source was coming from solar cells, that power would be better used in the power grid because more of the power it generates will actually be used where as half of it would be lost in the electrolysis process.  Hopefully, we will soon find a way to produce mass amounts of hydrogen without requiring so much energy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Noone N</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-704</link> <dc:creator>Noone N</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:17:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-704</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Because:1) It costs more to produce than an energy equivelent amount of petroleum based fuels2) It has a low energy density making transportation and storage difficult</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>Because:</p><p>1) It costs more to produce than an energy equivelent amount of petroleum based fuels</p><p>2) It has a low energy density making transportation and storage difficult</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: benthic_man</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-703</link> <dc:creator>benthic_man</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:03:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-703</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Hydrogen is explosive. Pressurized hydrogen, which is essential for space-saving considerations, isn&#039;t just explosive... it&#039;s incredibly explosive. Unless you plan on using hydrogen to put something into orbit, the explosive force is a real problem.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>Hydrogen is explosive. Pressurized hydrogen, which is essential for space-saving considerations, isn&#8217;t just explosive&#8230; it&#8217;s incredibly explosive. Unless you plan on using hydrogen to put something into orbit, the explosive force is a real problem.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dana1981</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-702</link> <dc:creator>dana1981</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:20:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-702</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Hydrogen is being considered for fueling cars.  Tons of money is being put into its research, but there are many problems with it.1) Cost.  It is indeed expensive to separate the hydrogen from oxygen through a process of electrolysis.  It takes a lot of energy and is currently extremely inefficient.2) Energy.  Using energy to perform electrolysis is a waste when you could directly use that energy to fuel a car.  Until the process becomes more efficient, it&#039;s wasteful.3) Transportation and Storage.  Hydrogen gas is not easy to transport and store - there&#039;s currently no infrastructure for it.  It would cost billions of dollars to create such an infrastructure, and who&#039;s going to pay for that?  Especially since we don&#039;t have the technology to use hydrogen as a fuel for cars yet.A more promising way of using hydrogen is to get it from aluminum-gallium alloys.  Combining them with water will produce hydrogen.  That way you just need to fill up with aluminum alloy pellets and water, which basically solves all the problems listed above (cost is close to gasoline).  The technology is still new and there may be a problem with the amount of heat produced by the reaction, but it&#039;s quite promising.  Still many years away though.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>Hydrogen is being considered for fueling cars.  Tons of money is being put into its research, but there are many problems with it.</p><p>1) Cost.  It is indeed expensive to separate the hydrogen from oxygen through a process of electrolysis.  It takes a lot of energy and is currently extremely inefficient.</p><p>2) Energy.  Using energy to perform electrolysis is a waste when you could directly use that energy to fuel a car.  Until the process becomes more efficient, it&#8217;s wasteful.</p><p>3) Transportation and Storage.  Hydrogen gas is not easy to transport and store &#8211; there&#8217;s currently no infrastructure for it.  It would cost billions of dollars to create such an infrastructure, and who&#8217;s going to pay for that?  Especially since we don&#8217;t have the technology to use hydrogen as a fuel for cars yet.</p><p>A more promising way of using hydrogen is to get it from aluminum-gallium alloys.  Combining them with water will produce hydrogen.  That way you just need to fill up with aluminum alloy pellets and water, which basically solves all the problems listed above (cost is close to gasoline).  The technology is still new and there may be a problem with the amount of heat produced by the reaction, but it&#8217;s quite promising.  Still many years away though.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Beth</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-701</link> <dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-701</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;From what I&#039;ve read, it would be harder to have available even than gasoline is, and therefore even more expensive.  So, IF they find a way to make it safe (it&#039;s quite combustible in the right conditions), then they also have to find a way to make it affordable, or no red-blooded American I know will make the switch.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>From what I&#8217;ve read, it would be harder to have available even than gasoline is, and therefore even more expensive.  So, IF they find a way to make it safe (it&#8217;s quite combustible in the right conditions), then they also have to find a way to make it affordable, or no red-blooded American I know will make the switch.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scott L</title><link>http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link> <dc:creator>Scott L</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:21:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.fissuring.com/why-isnt-hydrogen-gas-considered-for-fueling-cars-it-can-be-made-relatively-safe/#comment-700</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It IS expensive.  I&#039;m pretty sure all the hydrogen vehicles are more expensive and getting the hydrogen into a tank is also expensive currently.And no hydrogen filling stations yet.But it IS being done.  BMW has declared hydrogen is the future fuel for cars (in their belief).  Ford has hydrogen vehicles (mostly busses) in production.So it is being considered.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href=""></a></p><p>It IS expensive.  I&#8217;m pretty sure all the hydrogen vehicles are more expensive and getting the hydrogen into a tank is also expensive currently.</p><p>And no hydrogen filling stations yet.</p><p>But it IS being done.  BMW has declared hydrogen is the future fuel for cars (in their belief).  Ford has hydrogen vehicles (mostly busses) in production.</p><p>So it is being considered.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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